Success is easy. Any mug can be successful and make a fist of it. It's how you deal with it afterwards that is the test of character. I've watched a lot of people lose everything. Now Keating in a sense has lost everything. If you add up all the things he's lost, it's pretty significant. But there is still an absolutely remarkable, unbroken, interesting, involved bloke who is not crushed by what he's been through at all. He's still defiant, he's still funny, he's still full of ideas.